The difference between a request and a demand is the ability to hear ‘no’ for an answer.
This blog entry is my commentary about the experience created by Starbucks‘ “brew on demand” policy. This blog entry mostly focuses on the experience at the register – the few short minutes between customer and barista while standing at the register. It is not really a discussion of the underlying merits of “brew on demand”, but rather I truly want to focus on the customer’s experience of it. Unfortunately, mostly this will be a critical discussion of “brew on demand”. For a background story to “Brew on Demand” take a look at a previous blog entry here:
First, some background on what “Brew on Demand” is, for those who do not know. On April 8, 2008, Starbucks launched a new coffee blend, an everyday coffee brew, called “Pike Place Roast” replacing the decades long tradition of offering a variety of coffees to showcase their whole bean offerings. This means that rather being able to have a variety of coffee offerings, after April 8th would always be guaranteed only one coffee would on the brew and ready to go: Pike Place Roast.
There are numerous sort of obvious problems or challenges with a premier coffeehouse, specializing in a variety of beans, offering just one coffee bean selection for in-store consumption. Just to name a few obvious problems: If the customer doesn’t like Pike Place Roast, he or she suddenly can’t get a cup of coffee. Another problem is that even customers who genuinely like Pike Place Roast may get tired of drinking only one coffee variety. And yet another problem is that it suddenly becomes much more difficult to get customers enthusiastic about premier whole bean coffee if there is no opportunity to try other coffee offerings. And the customer who knows and understands that there are many different brew methods for coffee, will very well be unhappy to have to accept an alternate brew-method for his or her cup of coffee. Lastly, generally speaking, many customers will be unhappy at the idea that they’ve arrived a specialty coffeehouse only to be told to accept a substitution (have an Americano instead). Many customers do not want to drink watered down espresso, but rather want to enjoy a cup of Sumatra, or Kenya, or the blends that made Starbucks famous throughout the long history of 1971 through 2008.
In response to the challenges associated with only offering one single coffee offering, Starbucks announced a policy of “brew on demand”. In June 2008, Starbucks officially announced that baristas will “Brew on Demand“. By March of 2009, there were still complaints that Brew on Demand wasn’t effective, and Starbucks reiterated the same “Brew on Demand” policy again in their blogs, this time with even stronger wording:
• Decaf Pike Place Roast™ and Today’s Morning Pick should be continually brewed until 12 p.m. in all stores. (from 5 a.m. until 12 p.m. in 24-hour stores)
• After 12 p.m., stores should consider their customers’ preferences to judge whether they continue to brew batches of these coffees or brew when ordered.
• When a customer requests Decaf or Today’s Morning Pick and the store does not have it brewed, your barista should offer to brew a fresh batch while acknowledging the wait time.
Several obvious key points in the above language: Brew on Demand should work the same whether the customer wants the Bold Pick coffee or whether the customer wants a Decaf brew. The analysis is the same for both coffee varieties. Also, the intimation is that the experience should be easy at the register…the barista should “offer” to brew coffee.
What does brew on demand translate into at the store level?
So what happens at the register when a customer tries to order another coffee other than Pike Place Roast, which is not already on the brew? Fundamentally, a Starbucks customer is met with incredible inconsistency in the experience. There is no assurances of any one particular result, and unlike the latte drinker who can demand a drink be remade if it is not “perfect” the coffee drinker cannot demand anything. There are a limited number of scenarios. Basically, the customer will experience one of the following, depending on the barista’s good nature or animosity towards brew on demand:
- The barista immediately says, “Sure! I can brew you our bold pick! It’ll be about four to five minutes wait”
- The baristas says, “No. After noon our store only offers Pike Place Roast for drip brewed coffee.”
- The barista says “No” and the customer spends four to five minutes with customer trying to persuade the barista that he or she genuinely wants drip-brewed coffee and not an Americano or other substitution.
- The barista passes the buck and asks for a manager to come speak with the customer because the barista feels that he or she does not have permission to brew bold coffee. After four to five minutes, the customer may or may not actually get any bold brewed coffee.
- The barista says “yes” but tells a completely different story with body language that this is something that he or she does not want to do. The barista rolls their eyes, and sends the message that the customer is just a hassle.
- The barista refuses to drip brew bold coffee but offers to do a French press, unaware that many customers really do want brewed coffee and not a press.
- The barista says, “we have that ready – How does Gold Coast sound to you?”
The bottom line is that “Brew on Demand” creates incredible inconsistency in the experience. There is no way that a customer can demand coffee. The customer is placed in this horribly awkward position of trying to come up with the right words to persuade the barista to brew coffee. It feels like begging for coffee and most often a power game. It’s an awful experience. I have tried every possible way to get coffee. I have experimented with this and intentionally done everything from being extremely sweet to down right demanding, and I can assure you dear readers, nothing works. Either the barista will brew you coffee or not, and the customer has no control over what happens. All the customer can do is order coffee and say, “Hi! I’d like a tall bold pick of the week coffee” and then hold on tight and hope for the best, not knowing which of the above outcomes will happen. This incredibly uncertainty in the experience cannot be good for the brand. I have experienced everyone of the above listed possible results.
Some readers may ask, “Melody, why are you still a Starbucks customer despite that only Pike Place Roast is available after noon in the stores?”
Pike Place Roast was launched April 8, 2008, and the worst of the brew on demand experiences, for me, were 2008, and into very early 2009. For me, the experience began to slowly change in August 2008. In August 2008, Starbucks completed the first wave of Clover expansion, and suddenly I found my work location perfectly and evenly distanced from two Clover brewers. By late 2008, at least Monday through Friday during normal business hours, I didn’t really worry about brew on demand. I simply did not make an afternoon visit Starbucks unless I was going to a store with a Clover brewer.
In honesty, it took a long time for me to figure out which Starbucks (outside of downtown Seattle) will brew on demand, and which will refuse. After a while, I slowly created a very tiny mental list of only three Starbucks north of the ship canal that consistently brew on demand. Still to this day, I rarely go in a Starbucks in the weekends any more that isn’t one of these three locations. In July 2009, Starbucks opened up 15th Avenue Coffee and Tea, which uses both the ‘pour over’ and Clover brew methods for coffee, and basically I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I have to thank @Brendan206 who tipped me off at the one location in Seattle (north of the ship canal) that always brews bold, open to close. It’s wonderful. I go out of my way to go to this store on weekends. To all of you readers, this may seem ridiculous but finding one Starbucks brewing bold in Seattle is like looking for a needle in a haystack given the huge number of Starbucks this city has. Now, between 15th Avenue Coffee and Tea, and one particular Starbucks that always brews bold, I always have a weekend coffeehouse for bold Starbucks coffee. And truthfully, if the weather is nice and warm, I’ll often get a cold drink anyway.
My problem is simply that if I leave this Seattle-bubble, I’m pretty lost and basically now expect that I will hear “no” for answer, or that a barista will spend longer trying to persuade me that an Americano and/or a French Press is the same thing as filter-brewed coffee than it would take to actually brew it. The result: I don’t go to a normal Starbucks in the afternoon.
Even today, on MyStarbucksIdea, there are still people who come on to the site complaining that their local stores told them that ‘they’re not allowed to brew bold in the afternoon’. That’s not a true statement per the Starbucks policy clearly announced by Starbucks to customers but it still is happening.
At this point, I question whether anything *can* ever change. Twenty months of being a specialty coffeehouse featuring just one single coffee has certainly caused some shifting and transition in the customer base. No doubt, there is a self-selection of customers happening, where bold brew customers simply don’t return, to be replaced by customers who like something else.
Where is all this going?
It’s not going anywhere. There is not enough coffee education in the stores these days for most baristas to get excited by Italian Roast or explain why it has sweet notes to it, or to explain why Sidamo pairs well with a lemon loaf. Many modern baristas believe, “have an Americano, it’s the same thing.” The brew method IS important. Drip-brewed Espresso Roast is not the same thing as a shot of espresso. And frankly, I would be happy if a barista said to me, “if you’ve got five minutes to wait, I can brew a quarter-batch of Espresso Roast.” It makes a fine drip coffee.
However, as I’ve said before, I don’t think anything will change now because the status quo has gone on so long. I will say my favorite store manager has told me many times, “Melody, Starbucks should rename it ‘Brew by Request’ because even the harsh tone of the policy sets the customer-barista off on the wrong foot. Request is a much nice word than ‘demand‘”. I agree.
I try very hard to keep this blog positive. I don’t just repeat the latest lawsuit/scandal story in the news about Starbucks and report here. Rather I create my own content, through the Starbucks lens as I see it, as very imperfect as that might be. It would be really disingenuous of me if I never admitted that Starbucks had a few policies that get underneath my skin. I have to be honest. This is one of them here. But we will return to your happier Starbucks content soon!
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This post is right on the money; Brew on demand isn’t enforced and with it’s history won’t be in place effectively. Lucky for me i can’t tell the difference between drip and press so i am safe when they at least offer that up (although i also get frequently ‘no’ and ‘americano’ responses)
thanks for getting all teh details and history of it together
I hate going to Starbucks in the afternoon because of this brew on demand!
oh good thread! which I can’t wait to comment on but no time at moment…soon. excellent choice for a topic, and I have tons of feelings about. will post later! thanx!
I would suggest a Clover, but I totally brew it if someone wants it. I hate when people make a big deal out of having to brew coffee. It’s not difficult. Even at my store I’ve seen it, and it makes me mad. I agree about the brew on request thing. I think it was going more for demand like supply and demand, but it really does set a bad tone.
And I say I’d suggest a Clover, but I’d do that even if we had bold/decaf brewed.
Melody touched on this – but it all comes down to training and the passion that particular baristas have for their work.
I mobile work from Starbucks at least three nights a week. There is wild inconsistency with regards to the policy.
For the record, I personally do not drink drip or brewed coffee. I’m an espresso person – always have been, always will be.
The two Starbucks stores that I consider the “best” in my town will brew anything at any time of day after telling the customer that there is going to be a wait. In general, these baristas actually seem to *care* about their customers. Neither of these stores is a drive-thru.
Other stores – particularly the ones with drive-thrus – sometimes seem like fast food restaurants that happen to dispense coffee and pastry while the staff wears a green apron.
Stores have personalities – created by their managers and staff – and until that changes, the inconsistent application of “Brew on Demand/Request” won’t change.
I learned two things from this post.
(1) I wish I had access to a Clover-enabled Starbucks. I’ll have to get myself back up to Boston.
(2) I’m glad my preferred beverage is already an Americano. Or, as Melody puts it, a cup of “watered down espresso.” 🙂
(Reply to Turner) – LOL! Oops! Sorry to insult your drink of choice. Well, I’ve been known to have an Americano now and then, but it’s a rare choice for me. If you get to a Clover, you’ll have so many choices. The current seasonal coffee Mexico Chiapas is lovely from the Clover.
I’ve never experienced this problem at any of the many Starbucks stores I visit in Toronto. They all brew Pike and one other pick all day long. The other pick might be Verona, Estima, Gold Coast, Xmas, etc…Not sure if all of them are considered bold. I can’t stand Pike and don’t always like the other pick. So sometimes I’m stuck. I’ll order a triple long espresso, and usually get the fourth shot free.
(Reply to TorontoDude) – I’ve heard this whole issue of ‘brew on demand’ is ONLY the United States. For example, in the UK, my understanding the Cafe Estima is considered the “everyday brew” and not Pike Place Roast, and Estima creates none of the problems that PPR does, where suddenly a large percentage of the customer base won’t drink it.
In fact, Estima is NOT my favorite Starbucks blend, but I’d drink it anyday over PPR. One really regular participant at this site is also from Canada and says that in his area, he too can get bold anytime. I hope he will drop by this blog post.
The problem is Seattle and the US from what I can see.
Just heard from my DM that every store will start using the pour over method in the Spring…not sure if South Central is testing or if it’s nation-wide. I hope this clears up some of the trouble you’re having with the brew on demand system…I can’t wait to tell all of my afternoon bold customers that they can have ANY coffee we have in stock at ANY time of the day!
We will brew whatever the customer wants, whenever the customer wants it. At #10683 the customer rules Melody, and I’m sorry it’s not that way at every store. Come see us 🙂
Like TorontoDude said, we brew the bold pick of the week all day. It’s only decaf that is brewed on demand after noon, and we have several regular customers for whom we do brew decaf at their request on a daily basis.
We also have several customers who come in and request different coffees to be brewed in a press, which we do for them quite happily.
We even occasionally will involve our regular customers in our daily partner coffee tastings so that they get the opportunity to taste coffee that may never be brewed on a daily basis
The only real concern I can see with brewing special requests through the regular process is that the brewer works pretty much constantly all day between brewing the PPR, bold pick and decaf PPR in the morning and brewing PPR, bold pick and cleaning the urns in the afternoon. It’s not necessarily simply a matter of throwing it on. There may be cycles that need to be finished first, etc. While I’m always happy to brew at a customers request, sometimes the wait is too long for them. But, the press is a good alternative in that instance.
Just wanted to clarify that I am speaking specifically of what’s done at the store I currently work in. Obviously I can’t speak for any others.
(@Michelle & TxMgr) – Hey welcome to my site! First off, as to the “pour over” method of brewing … I think that is a great idea! I’ve often thought that it is too slow of a method, and many customers would be too impatient, but I fully support it. For me, I don’t have the palate to distinguish between a pour over and a traditionally drip-brew with a filter – both are equally as wonderful, and in fact I like the idea of having a custom cup of coffee made just for me. Michelle it is great that your store is so together. It’s not like that here in the Pacific Northwest.
Coincidentally, I had a very interesting conversation with my boyfriend Jim today, and I want to share it. Perfect example of the mixed-bag of results that “brew on demand” creates.
Jim is in construction and works many Saturday mornings. Today he left for the site early, and at about 1 pm arrived home.
He came home and said, “Hey Melody do you want some Casi Cielo?”
I said, “We don’t have any Casi Cielo in the kitchen,” knowing exactly what bags of coffee we’ve got in there.
He says, “No I’ve got some in my thermos.”
And then he starts to get mad all of sudden, and cursing using a few expletives, and he says he got to Starbucks at 11:30 ish, having worked half of a day on the site.
Now mind you, Jim never develops a relationship with any one Starbucks because he is in construction, and he’ll spend a few months a one job site, find a nearby Starbucks, and then move on to the next one, and so on and so forth. As I write this, he’s working somewhere on a construction site in Everett.
So he tells that today, on his way home he got to a Starbucks in Everett about 11:30 in the morning, or shortly before noon. He saw that the Starbucks had Casi Cielo and Pike Place Roast. He told the barista that he wanted his thermos full of Casi Cielo. He hands over his thermos which is about 18 to 20 ounces (and he is NOT the kind to complain about price!), and he watches the barista put first Casi Cielo into it, and then top it off with Pike Place, and suddenly Jim has a fit and says (I’m sure he was loud), “I wanted the Casi Cielo; I hate Pike!”
The barista says, “but I didn’t have enough Casi Cielo left to fill your thermos”.
And Jim, in his very deep voice, says “so brew some more!”
And the barista complied but rolled her eyes and groaned, and it was clear according to him, that she didn’t want to. (This was #5 in my list of possibilities above).
It seems ironic to me that Brew on Demand can be so totally ineffective right in the home state of Starbucks, but it is.
@Melody – aargh! I can’t believe that!
I’m very glad that I don’t have to deal with this in Canada. All the stores in my are always have a bold option all day, (sometimes even two different bolds) and it usually changes every day (I’d prefer it to change every day instead of every week) The only Starbucks blend besides PPR that I do not like is Estima. I find that Estima has a bitter, flat flavor, but it’s certainly better than PPR. The only time I’ll get an Americano or a press is when Estima is the bold pick.
I’m excited for pour over. It’s authentic, cost effective, and lets customers have complete control over their coffee choice any time of day.
Two years too late, but better than never. Sorry to see you get so worked up, because the bold/decaf solution is about to roll in a few weeks.
We continue to pray for the demise of Pike Place Roast, however.
(Reply to Bayareabux) – Is the “pour over” really launching nation-wide in a few weeks? Will there still be brewers for travelers or large thermoses?
I’m not so worked up because here in Seattle there ARE great options for me… I have Clovers; I have 15th Avenue Coffee, and have a couple of regular Starbucks that have bold coffee or brew it without hassle.
But I had been working on this blog entry off and on for weeks, and decided I needed to get it done, and finally posted it. I think there still are many problems with “brew on demand” nation-wide, so I decided it was worth it to post this.
Please do tell! Is Pour-Over coming everywhere? I recall it was done as a test in Boston about one year ago (maybe 6 months ago?).
Back when the Via taste challenge was going on, I visited a certain Starbucks (one that usually brews bold all day) and asked for the bold pick. The partner at the register told me that PPR was the bold pick. It was a tense situation because we were looking eye to eye, yet we both had to pretend we didn’t know that they normally have bold ready all day long. I finally settled for an unsweetened iced coffee — good, but not what I wanted at that moment. The inconsistency in the customer’s experience is what drives me mad. I have yet to see H. Schultz or anyone at corporate acknowledge the elephant in the room — namely, that Brew on Demand works *only* on paper, that few people love PPR, and that Starbucks’s reputation as a specialty roaster/retailer could be eroded by these practices. For what it’s worth, here are the Seattle-area stores where I’ve successfully gotten bold drip-brewed coffee after noon at least once:
67th & Phinney
Ballard (Market St.)
Oak Tree
Lake Forest Park
7th & Pike
Pier 55
Clearly, it’s a short list. Often, I look for Clover stores or grind/brew my own Starbucks coffee at home.
As always, great entry. It pains me that there are so many partners that don’t have the requisite coffee knowledge, nor the time or dedication to provide the best service when it comes to coffee-enthused customer.
Fortunately, I feel this is changing in the Seattle downtown area. There is a growing number of partners who are deepening their coffee knowledge.
thank you so much for the comment 🙂 I will be back to read this later, I need to get some sleep
Casi Cielo topped off with PPR…..I guess you are lucky they didnt top it off with VIA!
Pourover would be great. It will be logistically complicated, but hopefully it’ll happen. I haven’t heard anything about it, but I hope it does. I like it much better than the traditional drip brewer. I don’t see it launching nationwide without a test market, but we’ll see what happens.
No matter what, you should never ever mix your coffees, unless the customer specifically asks for it as such.
As for coffee knowledge changing among Sbux in the downtown SEA area, there are a few of us really working on it. It’s a multi-store effort (ok, so it’s 2 stores, but we’re looking to expand).
There is one (1) Starbucks here in Tucson, that seems to always have bold in the afternoon/ evening. Luckily its sort of on my way home from work so I just always plan on stopping at that one so there’s no arguing!
Well, back to the ‘brew on demand’ -not -enforced-policy. I will say I think the whole situation has improved ever SO slightly. maybe 5% better than, say, a year ago? As many of us have posted over and over on MSI, it’s a policy that 1) most customers are unaware of, I’m pretty sure 2) there’s no signage in any stores that I know so that they (customers) WOULD know 3) the signage issue was discussed at length on MSI and I thought they..Sbux…agreed that would be done, or at least they’re working on it 4) the policy itself: at my regular store, 99% of the baristas will ‘cheerfully’ brew bold for me. We stopped going thru the song and dance of begging after they first offered up an Americanno and then a press quite a while ago. BUT, in my experinece, my store is still the exception. The ‘bold’ request for me, in nearly all other stores, is still done very unhappily, but the improvement being, generally, they’ve stopped trying to get me to accept an Americanno and/or press first. A couple weeks ago I was in a very large and busy Sbux in Oak Pk. (western suburb that borders Chicago). I asked for bold. Got: all we have is ‘casi cielo’ which is not bold (the barista is saying to me) but I can brew some if you want to wait 6-8min. I really don’t like casi cielo but much better than PPR so of course, I say fine, of course I’LL WAIT!! They were too short at the time I was there, only this one guy on register and coffee. and it was busy but not insane busy. He did, after he waited on a couple more people, while I watched his every move, start the brew. Then I went over by the bar, where at first there was NO ONE making drinks, to wait for a latte I had also ordered, and of course, my brewed coffee. Finally someone came out and was working the bar. In the meantime, I was having a conversation with a couple I’d never met, who were also waiting for the “bold” and a bar drink. They told me this store was usually good about b.o.d. and how much they hate PPR and can’t understand what Sbux has done, etc. Then the barista who was working the bar, overhearing us (?) asked me if I wanted “bold”, I said yes, she said ‘casi cielo’ is not and did I want her to brew me something bold??? (so, here’s a very very good barista, to me) By this time I say no, but really appreciate it. (my sister is already drinking away her latte) So, finally I got my alternative PPR.
A few places I’ve been are actually brewing a bold all day, along with PPR, telling me it didn’t make sense to do the b.o.d. thing when so many people wanted bold. So, in the long run, and long post, I think the policy is a tiny bit more functional than a while back. Oh! one thing that really helped in my store was my store manager went into another Sbux a while back late at nite and wanted 2 venti brewed de-cafs. The barista there gave him the total song and dance. He kept insisting on what he wanted…. which the barista finally agreed to. Of course, the barista realized who/what he was when he went to pay. Anyway, THAT experience of the manager changed the way his (my) store deals with b.o.d. It would obviously be a good thing if every ‘unwilling’ barista went thru such a trial!
(Reply to DeniseR and Brendan206) – Yep I agree that there has been a *slight* improvement here in Seattle about what is happening with B.O.D. but it’s not a huge improvement.
Brendan206 – The Starbucks on Market St. in Ballard, also readily brewed bold for me once. It’s been a long while. That might’ve been 2008. I too have always put that on my ‘short list’ like your ‘short list’ of good Starbucks. Also, OakTree too has been a pretty good place to get bold – will brew without a hassle. Your list, coincidentally, is quite similiar to my list.
Most stores that I visit, have an expired bold waiting for you. Its quite disgusting that most Starbucks partner don’t give a shit about serving expired coffee or no coffee. I mean it says in the Guiding Principles that Starbucks is about quality.
I’m not sure there is anything that can be done unless it can down from the Most High Howard Schultz, that brew on demand or brewing BOLD was mandatory.
There would also, be a written statement that each partner would have to be signed and verified by the DM indicating that they would more than happy to brew a fresh bold. Otherwise, there would be consequences up to termination.
Sometimes, it is better to be feared than loved. I think that in your case Melody you should keep on blogging and writing to Starbucks about this.
In the meantime, when I’m denied a BOLD coffee, I ask for a grande cup of hot water and then make some Italian Roast Via right in front of the baristas or I ask them to grind me a pound of Italian Roast on espresso grind.
My store, in TN, brews bold all day every day, but decaf only until noon, unless someone asks for it, then we brew it up, some evening regulars even call ahead so we can get it brewing for them.
Oh my goodness this is EXACTLY WHY I stick with espresso oriented drinks (mochas or lattes) I’ve witnessed a few people getting held up with issues like this. I didn’t fully realize what I was witnessing since I didn’t know what “brew on demand meant” but after seeing/hearing “but it’s brew on demand” and then seeing reluctance from the baristas I decided to just stick with what was being made en mass. Boring I know but in the early A.M. I just need my caffine LOL. Reading here what all the hub bub is about it clarifies it and also I agree that there ARE differences between the brew methods and when you know what you want and should be able to get it…substitutions usually come up short :/
Interesting and sad :(. I work in a Chapter location and we brew bold all day every day, and sell it all day every day. We even switch up the mild from time to time (although not often enough 😉 ). We never mind putting decaf on. The coffee knowledge in our store is quite good and they’ve already passed that passion on to me (I initiated two tastings today and had a ball w/ the other partners!). This is my favorite part of my job, and got the biggest thrill today when someone told me they wanted a medium roast with cocoa and nutty notes and I knew exactly what to give them!
As a manager, I try to fulfill the brew on demand policy for both decaf and third pick. I do this because I care about customers and want to keep them happy. This issue is about taking care of customers. It’s a customer service issue. You have to have people that care enough about the customers to brew what they ask. Starbucks cannot legislate this, but they can influence it by hiring good people that will actually do a good job. Quality employees are a key – passionate people that actually care about what they’re doing. I talk about coffee, explain the difference between coffees, educate people about acidity, and recommend coffees, and let people taste coffees naturally because it just flows out of me- it’s a passion and something I’m interested in. Hiring decisions have a lot to do with how a business runs. Having a quality, efficient staff makes a big difference. Yes, there is a policy in place, and yes it should be followed. And that’s a major component. People should follow this just because Starbucks says so. Also, another component is the care factor. Baristas have to care about what they’re doing. I regret you’ve ever been treated this way, Melody. I did not understand the experience of customers until you related it this way. I better understand it now and this makes me more eager to give my customers what they want and keep them happy.
As a clover store partner, and a high volume brewed coffee store in general, we’re brewing bold at least until 5pm (and if we’ve still got some ground at that point, we’ll keep going while supplies last). Clover makes a great alternative backup plan for the anti-PPR coffee person, but not everyone happily adjusts to the price difference. Most do, once they taste Clover, if they’re into coffee for the flavor, and not just as a means of caffeine ingestion. 🙂
My ritual response to an evening request for Decaf usually runs something along the lines of “I don’t have any ready to go right now. I do have a few options for you. 1) We can brew a cup on our Clover machine for you. It does run a few cents more, but I think the flavor is well worth it. 2) We can brew a fresh pot of Decaf, which will take about 4 minutes. 3) We can make a decaf americano for you.” Customer responses vary of course. 🙂
I wish customers didn’t have to face a tug of war when coming in for coffee… that really is sooo counter to our mission statement, the third place and the overall concept of a coffeehouse. All I can offer is – I usually work evenings and weekends… if you’re on the south side of Lake Washington, come visit me! 😀
Renton Village
601 S. Grady Way
Renton, WA
@Clover Gal – Welcome to my little Starbucks blog here! How did you find it? It’s a fun little community. I’ve been into your store once, in 2008, shortly after your store got the Clover. It’s the only time I’ve been to your store (only because of your location…)
In August 2008, shortly after that initial expansion of the Clover, I decided to go visit all of the Clover stores to see what kinds of places Starbucks was putting them.
I ordered a Clover at your store and had just a totally normal typical Starbucks experience. I sat down, and I think I had both a book and a knitting, and in walks a woman whom I think I know well, but I had a moment of trying to place her face. She is (currently still) an elected City of Seattle Judge. She was wearing sweats and dressed very casually, and it’s funny when you’re used to seeing someone in a black robe, a pair of sweats can throw off your recognition of that person.
She read my face like a book and played on it and said with a perfect poker face, “oh you must be confusing me with my twin sister Judge XYZ …”
I dumbly, (and playing right into her gag) said, “I didn’t know that Judge XYZ had a twin sister, nice to meet you …”
And then she laughed outloud, and had me you know. She’s fairly regular at your Starbucks so I hear, and thinks your store is great.
Melody
@Melody – I’ve been a “lurker” for awhile now. I suspect I found it after a Google search for some topic or other you’ve blogged about (couldn’t tell you which one) and stayed for the enjoyment.
TOTALLY know what you mean about seeing people out of their “normal” environment. 🙂 I think my brain depends on certain visual cues more than I care to admit. It makes for a good challenge remembering which face goes with which drink!
My comment about visiting my store was as much for the lurkers out there who feel frustrated about brew on demand, but don’t feel brave enough to voice an opinion. Ladies and gentlemen, come on by!! Melody, I realize you’re on the other side of the lake, and I’m glad that you’ve got some good stores in your neck of the woods. 🙂 Roy St. is actually one of my favorite places for some down time when I’m in the neighborhood. 1st & Pike is also on my top favs list.
Bring on the BOLD!
I found this blog through a google search for “no more bold brew starbucks”. I am thrilled (in a strange way I guess :), there are others that have this problem.
I am a true coffee lover. Just coffee…. no syrup laden drinks. This article describes my experiences in finding (or not) afternoon bold brew. Like the author says – trying to keep it positive – I do find that people in general want to please others. So my best, most effective approach has been something along these lines;
“Hi! This is my first cup of the day (when I go in the afternoon), and I absolutely LOVE Sumatra (Komodo dragon, whatever I see on the hanging tag as their bold pick).
Cashier says “oh we only have pike place this time of day… we could make you an americano or pour-over”.
I make a face and say “Those choices don’t taste anywhere near the same (and they don’t!), and if you’d like me to ask your manager for you – to keep you out of the middle, I don’t mind”. Well at that point, 90% of my experiences have been they want to show me they are an empowered starbucks associate, and there’s no need to involve the manager. “OK, if you’ll be willing to wait 5 minutes, I will brew a pot”.
All this finagling for a cup of good coffee. Is it worth it? Oh YES 🙂
@BlackCoffeeLover – I wrote this blog article over 2 years ago, and the black coffee situation was a little different back then. I nearly forgot about this article! There are way more Clover stores now. They’re popping up all over. And it seems like there is less of a hassle now getting a pour over than back 2 and a half years ago. I know you don’t care for a pour over, but I do like it. I haven’t asked a barista to actually brew a batch of coffee for me in ages. I think I published this article shortly before the “pour over” was launched. In any case, glad your local baristas are able to accomodate you – and I hope you do get a chance to try the Clover. There are about 300 Clover stores now.
Sorry this is a ramble – I’m in a hurry. Welcome to the blog, and I hope you’ll “like” it by clicking on the facebook widget in the right-hand column and/or subscribe (email address in the box upper right).
~Melody